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Doug Pagitt Denies the Doctrine of Hell on WOTMR (1of2)

Doug, dude! Just a simple yes or no will suffice. Quit giving us all this ignorant nonsense, and Mars Hill pagan talk and just say it. Admit your a universalist so we can all move on. This is exactly what I have been talking about when it comes to false teachers and how they distort the scriptures. We must take this apostasy seriously! These guys love to twist the scripture and quarrel about things. They are of a depraved mind and we must not follow them!


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As I wrap up my study from the last 3 weeks on the spirit that leads these movements in the Church today, I am overwhelmed by the treasures the Lord continues to give me. There can be no doubt that if we come to Him for truth, He will reveal it to us, but it is always found in the scriptures. So I pray you will bear with me just a little more as I conclude what the Lord has been showing me in regards to testing the spirits that call out to those of us in the Church today.

David again brought together out of Israel chosen men, thirty thousand in all. He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the Lord Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart with the ark of God on it, and Ahio was walking in front of it. David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the Lord, with songs and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals. When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord’s anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God. Then David was angry because the Lord’s wrath had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that place is called Perez Uzzah. (2 Samuel 6:1-8 )

In our Bible study last week we were reading this scripture when the Lord started to speak to my spirit. This seemed to be the conclusion I needed for all these weeks of study. I want us to look at this set of scriptures and a few more as we try to see what the Lord wants us to know in these last days.  The very first thing we want to note is that David was the one who longed to return the ark back to where it should be. David represents our current day pastors, in the sense that David was called to shepherd over God’s people Israel, and pastors have been called to shepherd over Christ’s flock, the Church.  As I hear many of these “so-called” pastors or leaders in the Church today, I have no doubt they too think that they are going to return the Church to where it should be. The problem herein lies, that they believe with all their discussions and ideas, that they know best how to do it. Sadly, they could not be farther from the truth.  David, even in all of his excitement, knew God’s word and His way. Yet it is David who allowed the “ark” to be moved in the manner it was.

The next thing I want to note is that the scriptures say, They set the ark of God on a new cart. That seems so interesting to me, because how many today will tell you that the Lord is moving in a “new way”. No doubt these men were zealous for what they were doing. I am sure they worked overtime in getting this “new” cart ready. Unfortunatly they forgot to take a look back at the scriptures to see that God had already told them how everything should be done. ( Ex 25:13-16; Numbers 4:5-6, 15) Understand this please! GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. He does not change His mind on how things should be done. He has already established it. That is why the Lord tells us in His word “Preach the Word; be prepared in season, and out of season.” (2 Tim 4:2)  When the men of God are teaching us, we should be sure they are teaching not to the relevance of what the culture does or accepts, but to the same truth that has already been handed down in the past. We need only to look at the Lord’s Word to find what He wants for us in the Church, not to some man made method or opinion.  So, Uzzah and others obviously decided to go a “new” way. I of course wondered where they got this idea to RE-INVENT the way things should be done. I had to look no further than 1 Samuel 6. Then I remembered, once again, “There is nothing “New” under the sun!” Their mistaken idea came from the pagen, unbeliveing world. They saw what they were doing and probably figured, Hey, this just might work. Maybe we should try things the way the world does it, God will surely honor our sincere effort. 1 Samuel 6 teaches us that the Philistines had returned the ark of the God of Israel on a new cart that they had gotten ready. As you study this chapter you will see all the priests and diviners had told the Philistines what to do. What in the world would make David and these men decide to try this in a “new” worldly way? What in the world leads the men of the Church to look to the way the world does things, to hire a business, or to ask unbelievers what is best for God’s house (the ark)?

So then what were the consequenses for their choices? Undoubtly there are always consequenses for our disobedience. Above in the scripture of 2 Samuel 6:7 it tells us that the Lords anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act. So God struck him down and he died there. That would certainly leave one standing there, watching this event, to begin wondering and even questioning. Even for those of us reading it thousands of years later we to may look to the Lord and ask, “Oh, were you serious about that?” Let me assure you today that He is serious. Dead serious! The scriputures goes on to tell us that David was angry because of the Lord’s wrath. From my own experience, I would venture to say this is the most commen response from Pastors and even those within the Church when you point out the seriousness of their error. I think it has been a feeling all of us have experienced at one time or another. We all want to think that we have good intentions when it comes to doing things for the Lord. The danger in that is, if we are not abiding in the scripture, if we are not led by the Holy Spirit, we may find that just like Uzzah, we made the desicion to serve the Lord according to man’s idea. That my freinds is very dangerous. 1 Cor 10:1-22 tells us that these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. When you have a moment, read those scriputures. The Lord was so gracious to me, to lead me there and tie the old with the new. It shows me in the end, they really are the same.

As I conclude, I pray that all of you will heed the seriousness in my writing. I do not write of my own opinion, or even what I would prefer to write. It is for the Lord that I write and speak. With that said, there is good news, once agian. Isn’t that always the case with our Lord and Savior Jesus? In the remaining part of 2 Samuel 6 we see that after David’s first response of anger, He became afraid. He was not willing to move another step without the Lord’s direction. David left the ark for 3 months in the house of Obed-Edom and his whole family was blessed while it remained there. David returned without the ark and inquired of the Lord once again. If you read 1 Chronicles 15:1-15 you will find that David repented before all of Israel, acknowledged why the Lords anger was against them and returned to doing things God’s way. A way that had never changed. The Lord showed mercy to David because of that, and the ark was once again able to return to Jeruselum. You know friends, this reminds me of our Lord’s mercy to us today. The kind of mercy He longs to show to the Church of Laodicea. (The Church we are in today ladies.) It is this Church that thinks it has recieved the Lord’s blessing. The one that thinks they are doing it the right way. Yet the Lord says the same thing to us in Rev 3:19. “Be earnest and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne.” Oh, my friends if anyone of us, or any pastor today will hear the rebuke of the Lord and repent, just as David did, if we will turn back to His ways, we can finish like David did. We can return to having His presence among us and we can sit on that throne, as David did, with our Father, because He overcame the world. The only question that remains now, is not if He is serious, but are you? Are you ready to surrender your whole life to Jesus and what He wants? To His way? Or are you perfectly content to follow the “new” ways of this world?

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I don’t care who you are, where you come from, or what your past is.  If you have surrendered your life to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I am honored to be part of His family with you. I am always so excited when I see men and women standing for and preaching the truth of the Gospel that Jesus Himself came to bring. The same gospel that all the disciples before us were so willing to die for.  If you have just a few moments, watch this great little analogy in the video link below.  Because we are living in the Laodicean Church days, it is good to ask the Lord to help us recoginze the difference between His Church and the church the Anti-Christ will be ruling over. Watch and then truly ask yourself which one your a part of.


Have you decided yet? Which Church do you want to be a part of? Was he a disciple for Jesus Christ that you would want to follow? Did his teaching speak to you, challange you or encourage you? They sure did for me!  But if that wasn’t for you then maybe this next link will be. Beware though. I thought this was a joke at first, but apparently I was wrong.


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     To pick up on my blog from last week, I must continue examining who I would become more like if I follow this new movement in Christianity. Or, do I stay with what I find to be the truth of Jesus Christ.  Last week I discovered after my time with the Lord, that if I follow these guys right now, I will find myself converted to the orginal pagan thinking of the philosophers at Mars Hill. Of course that is only one examination, so I figured I would look a little more into the Scriptures so I can test myself and see what “way” I want to follow. Even though the one examination seems to be enough to me, I find it best to make sure their is consistant truth, instead of just one example. It seems if the Lord tells me in scripture (1 John 4) “do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” then I should do it.  With that being said, I do have one thing I need to note in my writing. I have read where others have attacked me or pointed out in their own opinion that I have no clue what I am talking about or that in the case of some scripture interpretation, I do not know what it means. For all who read my writings, please note that I have never claimed to be educated or wise in the field of religion. Instead I am one of the foolish, claiming to know nothing, except Christ crucified, an ordinary, unschooled disciple of Jesus Christ. My thoughts and understandings do not come from some professer or class that I took. Not from some debate with a bunch of “thinkers” or “dreamers” where I could gain some wordly wisdom. Only from an earnest desire by prayer and reading, a guiding by the Holy Spirit into His truth, not mine.

This week I decided to study whether I wanted to stay a “true disciple” of Jesus Christ or become a “follower” of Jesus Christ. This has become such an important term in our day, and it seems like everyone is a follower. So does being a follower equate to true and genuine salvation. Does it lead to productive missions for the sake of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. You may ask the question in your mind as I did, what is the difference? Well, I guess we can only look to the scriptures and ask the Lord to teach us. First of all Jesus says in John 8:31, “If you abide in my Word, you are My disciples indeed.” Of course Jesus was speaking to the Jews who had believed in Him, but that includes you and I who are grafted in. We are all His disciples if we abide in His Word.  The greek word here for disciple is mathetes, which means a learner or pupil. So then, we learn from our Lord and Savior and His Words. Acts 6:7 tells us that the number of disciples mutiplied in Jerusalem and Acts 11:26 says that all the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. John 15:8 tells us what the evidence is to being a disciple of Jesus Christ. So, being a disciple requires not only that we learn from our Lord and great Teacher, but that we obey His Word. When we listen to His teaching, He helps us to apply it to our lives, to desire that change that He came to bring us. A new life and a new way of living. Not in our old ways or not after our flesh. And most certainly not for the things of this world. We must press into the Lord through His Holy Spirit to find the absolute truth! There is one meaning to the things the Lord taught us, contrary to what others teach. Not many interpretations, with many different ways. The disciples knew what it meant to be taught by Jesus. To come in contact with Him and be so changed that they no longer wanted to be relevant to their culture anymore. They no longer wanted to live the way they used to live. Could you just see Paul approaching all the believers that he once persecuted saying, “Look guys, I met Jesus on the way to Damascus. This same Jesus that died for you, died for me. I am still taking you all back for persecution, some of you may even be killed, but who are you to judge me and what I do. You don’t have a monopoly on grace. I am a follower of Jesus too!”  Do you think the early Christians would have accepted his “word” or taken a look at his actions?  Of course Paul never said that. He was completely changed, as were the other disciples who abided in Christ’s teaching. Peter went from being fearful, to being fearless. All but John were martyers for Christ. If they were so compassionate and accepting, why such cruel deaths? Just saying Jesus is the “ONLY” way today is narrow minded and legalistic! And how dare anyone be like John the Baptist was and point out someone’s sins and their need to repent. They scream “off with their heads!”  Oh, wait a minute, that happened to John too. So his death did not come from just saying Jesus is the only way, but in calling someone to the first step, repentance. Yet, I would stand and declare that John the Baptist was a great disciple for Jesus Christ.

     Now, once the disciples met Jesus and He became Lord of their lives they were all changed, that is except one. He of course was a “follower” of Jesus. What did it mean to just be a follower? What did this follower look like to those around him? And what were the causes that a “follower” took up for Jesus? Let’s look at scriptures and see. First, this follower was often seen with Jesus, considered one of the 12. He looked the part, no doubt called himself one of them. The problem herein lies, that he never surrendered to the Truth. On the night of the last supper when Jesus was about to be betrayed, our Lord pointed out that one with Him was about to hand Him over. Now why don’t we see every disciple in that room point a finger at Judas? Clearly, we would think he must have been an obvious choice. No, no one but Christ knew. Judas, I am sure played the part very well, but the facts are that Jesus knows our true hearts. He knows what spirit leads us and guides us. So, the only thing I can now glean, will be a lesson learned from Judas’ life and what the spirit that led him looked like.  No doubt Judas had some great causes that many “followers” could be proud of. In John 12: 3-5 Judas rebukes Mary for anointing Jesus. His argument was for the poor. His cause could be carried under the banner of “eradicating poverty”.  One cannot argue against caring for the poor. Even Jesus Himself cared for the poor in spirit and often helped those who had a need. Though I cannot find anywhere in His ministry where His goal was to eradicate poverty. Quite the opposite in fact. Jesus stated that “you will always have the poor among you”. But this was the idea of Judas. One amazing fact is that though Judas sent out the cry to “give to the poor”, he often took for himself. I am amazed at the men who want to send out the cries for saving the world from poverty, but they themsleves live like kings or at least like commoners. Like Judas, is does not matter if we sound the alarm to help the poor if our desire in sounding the call is to make money and gain power or prestige. The Lord knows our true heart.  So, erdicating poverty, a noble cause indeed, but not what Jesus’ ministry was all about. Next lesson we can glean from the spirit of Judas, he never called Jesus “Lord”.  He had no problem calling Him Teacher or Rabbi.  These titles seem to resemble the many names I hear in this new movement. Should I follow in the dust of the Rabbi?  Should I decleare with the “Message” book that Jesus is Master but not Lord? Judas no doubt would have been labeled a “follower of Jesus”, but my question is, what was it about Jesus that he followed. I am sure he saw Jesus’ miracles. Judas longed for the “Kingdom now”. Saving Israel from Rome. World peace now. Can’t we all just get along? Still not Jesus’ reason for coming and not our reason for becoming disciples, but surely Judas’ reason for following. Amazing that “true disciples” are willing to change their plans and views to learn what the Lord wants for their life. Yet this “follower” longed to make Jesus a part of his own plan. He longed to turn Jesus and His reason for coming into his worldly cause.  Another interesting thing I gleen from scripture is that it seems Judas was willing to betray Jesus after Jesus rebuked him for what he said to Mary. Oh how the human spirit seems to be so easily offended and long to turn into the enemy when someone tells it the truth.  So, as we look at the difference between what it means to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ or just a follower I would again test the spirits that call to us and ask us to “follow” after them. Do they line up with Jesus’ teachings about forsaking ourselves, obeying His teaching, becoming godly, increasingly holy, filled with love (real, sacrificial love, not tolarent love)? Or do they call us to establishing our “kingdom now”, erdicating poverty and disease? For in the end we see 2 that were called the “Sons of Perdition”, Judas and the Anti-Christ. Both of them come carrying the same cause and both led us to the same place. Amazing the same “spirit” that indwelt Judas is the same “spirit” that indwells the anti-christ. He will rise up in these last days with the social of social gospels. He will make Judas look like a heathen when it comes to the concerns he portrays. But, with the same spirit in Judas leading this new movement, many will be prepared to answer his call. In the end, like Judas, we to will find out if we were true disciples or just a follower.

     Hey, there is good news. As we learn from Judas life, we can examine ourselves and see what spirit is leading us. If we find we have become only a “follower” and are led by the wrong spirit, just like Judas we have the gracious opportunity of repentance and forgiveness. Of course Judas choose not to accept that forgivness and turn from his ways. But today the Lord calls out to us, setting before us life and death. Which one will you choose?

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A Visit to Mars Hill

I decided to spend some time this week with the Lord alone to let Him teach me more about Mars Hill. Since so many are fighting for the right to gain common groud with everyone, to bring the culture into the Church in hopes that an unbeliever will be attracted to what WE offer, I felt it was time to come with my heart and mind open and let the Lord speak to me. I asked the Lord to show me, if these guys are right, if they are only doing what Paul did and it is pleasing to you Lord then show me so that I may stand in unity with them. I am in no way above being corrected. In fact, I would rather the Lord correct me now, before it is to late, so that I can get back on the straight and narrow path. I admit, before I got alone with the Lord to look at this scripture, I had no real answers. I only knew that what these guys defend and teach, even when I worked on staff with them in the Church, was not right. I would like to share with you what the Holy Spirit taught me this week. 

So my question to the Lord was, since Rob Bell and all these other men use Acts 17 to justify finding common ground for the sake of advancing the true gospel of Jesus Christ, are we seeing the exact same method and result that Paul saw? Are we ending up bringing in strong, true believers for Christ? To find out we must test Mr. Bells and others methods to scripture. Not to our own opinions, or likes and dislikes, only to scripture! So here I will begin to share with you what the Holy Spirit taught me based on my time with our Lord.

As we begin in verse 16 we see that Paul is greatly distressed by all the idols that have filled the city. Now if you are a true believer you can already begin to relate to Paul here. As a true believer of Jesus Christ, Paul surely had to feel distressed by all the false religious idols and worship he saw. I know that I do. Now it is here that I would begin to wonder then, how will Paul handle this distress? Will he overlook it? Maybe he would turn to meditation and yoga to ease the stressful feelings he is having inside. Maybe he will find that he is just being to negative and critical of someone else’s religion. (Those are all things our world would tell us we should do.) Or maybe, it will stir up such a passion for these lost people that Paul will begin to preach the truth in the marketplace to these people. I will go with the last one for Paul. Now as Paul does this, a group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. The first thing I note here is that it is the unbelievers that dispute with Paul here, not those “within” the Church of Christ. If Paul were finding some common ground, if he were saying things that were somewhat acceptable to these men, I find no reason for them to dispute with him. Just the fact that they call him a “babbler” shows their animosity towards him. They had no understanding of what Paul was preaching about. And it is not Paul that goes and seeks them out to find some common ground with them that he may try to convert them. No, it is they that seek Paul out and take him to the Areopagus.  Now just the fact that they are easily irritated shows why they would bring Paul here to try and debate with him. What pride! Note that Paul is not on trial here, he can come and go at his own free will. But Paul is now prepared to go speak to these unbelievers about the One true God. Once I get to verse 21 I am instantly thrown into our modern day emerging/seeker movement. Was it Paul (the true Christian) that spent all his time talking about and listening to the latest ideas? Did Paul just have conversations for the sake of conversing about new ideas and re-inventing Christianity? Or does that sound like the the group of pagens meeting at Mars Hill?   Read the verse and you decide. You must dear friend, for in our Laodicean church day it will be one group or the other that you will follow.

Next, in verse 22 we see Paul starting off by calling these men’s attention to their objects of worship. Paul says, “I see that in every way you are very religious”. The correct interpretation is “superstitious”.  Now I know many try to distort this and turn it into “complimentery Paul”, but that could not be further from the truth. All orginial versions hold to the greek word deididaimonesteros for this scripture, which you will find when you look it up means “superstitious”. It is the greek word threskeia that means “religious”, and that is not used in this scripture. It would seem to me, that if Paul wanted to find some common ground to just build relationships on, he would have started out on a more complimentary term. Maybe he could have tied in some things he liked about their worship or their idols. Maybe found some type of agreement with their teachings and pointed out that their religion had some forms of truth that pointed to Jesus. Then Paul would have been more like the men of our day, (a little more inclusive). Of course he would never do that so Paul draws their attention to the “Unknown God” that they worship. What they worship as unknown, he will now take the opportunity to reveal to them.

Verse 24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. I find it interesting that the Lord has Paul first start off by revealing to these men that He is the Creator. Now what Paul was having to do at Mars Hill, the angel of the Lord was having to do for John with the Church of Laodicea (our current day Church). Notice in Rev 3:14 that Christ announces Himself in the same way. Why is this? Because just like these “talkers” in our midst today, the men of Athens were so focused on the things of nature (creation) rather than the true Creator. No doubt that just as Paul had to introuduce Christ to the men at Mars Hill this way, so Christ had to introduce Himself to the Church of Laodicea that way. So again I ask you, when we compare ourselves to Paul (the true believer) or the pagans, who do these men today and their followers remind you of? Would Paul have fought for climate change and evolution? Did he take up their causes and give a hearty agreement to their concerns? Or would he have been more concerned with pointing these debaters to the true Creator, the Lord of Heaven and Earth? Reread the scripture to answer that question. Then ask yourself the question, are you becoming more like Paul or these men in your new church movement? (Of course this in no way implies that we are not to be good stewards with what the Lord does give us.) Verse 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.   Paul would have easily dismissed here all of the pagan liturgical and temple activities these men had. They are useless when it comes to our meeting God. The Lord does not need us to do anything for Him, as if he is dependent upon our help. But He did choose to save those who would accept Him and follow after Him and obey Him. Yet if Paul is speaking against a system of works (not obedience) here, I would say all of the extra “experiences” we try to incorperate so that man can draw closer to God will not work. Since this is so much of what the seeker/emerging church draws on, I would again want to see is this what Paul did as he witnessed to these men? Or is this what these pagans were already doing that he was speaking out against? If so, who are you becoming more like in your new church movement?  In verse 27 Paul declares that “God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.”  Greek myths taught that a god could be found after a spiritual struggle or mystcial quest. Yet Paul states that God is near us and wants us to know the truth and turn to Him. There is no secret way to Jesus. Yet many in the emerging/seeker movement would want you to take a journey “into the mystic”.  They want your life to be about a journey or quest so that then you can know God. Paul never teaches that. In fact he states quite the opposite. He says that God is already near us. I have no doubt that is why Paul had to warn as he pointed forward to our day about these false teachers in 1 Tim 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives tales, rather, train yourself to be godly.  So again I ask you as I asked myself, in doing these things that these new movements are teaching and allowing, are we becoming more like Paul, or simply following what the pagans were already doing? No doubt as you read scripture, Paul was speaking against these things and pointing them to the truth. He took their “worldview” and turned it towards and ‘Biblical view.”  Ahhh! Now for the famous verse 28.  “For in Him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, “We are his offspring”  Paul is quoting Arastus, a stoic poet from Cilicia here. Arastus wrote in a poem to Zeus that “we to are his offspring”.  Many could try to argue and defend for their belief that Paul was showing that he stood in agreement with their writers, that we ourselves are free to use the writings of other pagan religions. But as I studied with the Lord he has shown me otherwise. First of all, Paul was not drawing these men into a meeting with fellow believers. He was not quoting this writer to teach the current belivers something about the Lord they were already following. Never do I see Paul taking these relavent culture idols and beliefs INTO the church to draw them in.  He does speak with them where they already are though. Secondly, Paul never stands in agreement with the writer, he only points out the obvious. He actually calls out the contradiction within their own movement and belief system. Their own writers say “We are his offspring”.  As we see within the scriptures that follow, Paul points out their ignorance in this former way of thinking. I see it this way, (if we want to put it into modern terms).  I don’t have to agree with secular scientists and their theories of evolution and global warming to point out the fact that even some of their own colleagues argue against them in saying there are no facts to show evidence of global warming or that there are holes in the evolution theory.  I can point to their inconsitancies among their own field to show them why there is no inconsistencies in the Creator of this world. I would in no way give any compliment to their way of thinking or even try to find some truth to stand in agreement with. In fact, like Paul I would say, that in the past God overlooked this ignorance, but now He has sent His Son Jesus Christ, creator of Heaven and Earth to reveal to us the truth. We have no more excuses!

Verse 29 says “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone-an image made by man’s design and skill. Paul argues here against man’s design and plans. When we try to re-invent or re-create anything it only leads to false worship and another Jesus.  It amazes me that the leaders today want to re-invent the Church to fit what they feel is true “relationship” with Jesus.  Did Paul teach as these men today teach that we can re-think who God is? Or did he teach us that we should NOT THINK that God is like any image that man tries to create or design. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that an image can only be a statue. An image is whatever you create in your own mind and decide to follow after. We all better test it back to scripture through prayer. So are we standing with Paul and becoming more like what he taught or are we becoming more like the pagans and their way of thinking? As an interesting side note, I found in my studies that Epicureans would be likened to, what we call today, secular humanists. A man by the name of Dr. Bernard Ramm wrote a book entitled, The Right, the Good and the Happy.(Waco, Word Books 1971) This was the belief of Epicureans. In his book he maintains: that the only life is this life, the only values are now values, and the only goods are this life’s goods. (page 78).  If I could put that in modern day terms (since this seems to be the relevant thing to do, it would sound a little like this), The epicurines focused on the journey here and now, in this life. The destination did not matter. All that mattered for them was the next step, doing what they believed was morally right in the here and now. Enjoyment of life and being happy. Yet this pagan belief system sounds so familier to me. As if I have heard our own men within the Church state these very things, (only in modern terminology).  Surely if they are going to change scripture to fit the current culture terminology, it would only seem fitting that they would change the pagan terminology to fit our current culture. The other side note I found of interest and almost to familer once again, was the fact that Epicureus who was the founder and leader of this group had little patience with “Religion”.  Of course I can see why they would rebel against this word now. He spent his time and teaching helping people lose their fear of the gods. In modern day terms in might have sounded something like this “The gods are not angry”. And Epicurus was an early thinker, developing the notion of justice as a social contract.  A “social gospel”. How ingenious. It seems to be a constant reminder to me that there is “Nothing new under the sun”.  No new idea. No new revelation. Only the absoulte truth of the Word. And there is no doubt that when you stand for that truth, just as in Paul’s day, there will be many who sneer at you, many who just long for the debate and entice you with their echo’s of “I want to hear you again on this subject”.  But the good news is, there will be those who hear what the Lord is saying in these last days and they will become true followers of Jesus Christ. So then my friends, the only question for you and I is which group will find ourselves in? What will you find when you make a visit to Mars Hill?  Have you come away changed by Paul’s message and met the true Jesus Christ? Or have you just been converted by the pagan philosophers in disguise? As Paul says, Examine yourselves and see if you are in the faith.  Do not accept another Jesus, or I fear  as Paul said in that same chapter of Acts, that on that set day when God will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed, you my dear friend may find you had never met him.

So what did I find?  That today at Mars Hill I met Greek philosophers masquerading as ministers of rightousness.

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Instead of writing today, I am going to give you a link to watch a video. Only do this if you are willing to make the time to really listen and if you are really willing to let the Lord challange you. If you already believe yourself to be right, if you are happy following after American Christianity, then this will not be for you. I promise you will become upset. But, if you are following the Lord or want to know the true Jesus Christ, if you really want to know the wonderful risen Lord and Savior, then this is worth your time! May the Lord continue to draw near all those who long to have Him as Lord of their life!

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Where are the Bereans?


I wonder (and would really like to know) are there any Bereans left? Am I the only crazy, narrow-minded person out here? (Hey, that’s what these guys call me when I start testing things back to the Word). Just because someone says, Hey, I am a Pastor and I am a Christian, does that really make him or her one? Can I then test what they are saying, (like the Bereans did) to see if what they say lines up with Jesus Christ? As you listen to the video below, I pray that you will really listen. Not just with ears half open. Not without a heart pressing into and eagerly asking the Lord for discernment.  I myself try to imagine Paul or Peter or John having these conversations with the men they had the opportunity to come in contact with. Wow, what were they thinking, taking such a narrow view that got them killed. Surely they should have come up with the brilliant idea of “Religious Pluralism”!  Why did the Lord wait until our last days generation to reveal this plan?   Maybe because friends, it is not God’s plan!  But it will be the plan of the Anti-Christ.

I wonder how Rick Warren came up with this global plan? Rick, I would love to know how many different religions will be represented in Heaven?  Not those who renounced there false religions and turned to Jesus Christ, but those who continue in them?  I wonder Rick when you listed YOUR Global Giants, did you see them through Christ’s eyes? Did you see the Global Giant that nailed Jesus Christ to the cross, SIN and REBELLION? Not the first things you listed or the LAST thing you mentioned, spiritual emptiness. And by the way, WE can not solve any of these problems without Jesus Christ!  Now when I hear Rick telling me that partnership is okay, that as long as we are working towards a common wordly goal, I wonder should I trust Rick and throw out scripture?  Or will he come up with a new and distorted interpretation for 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship has rightousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord does Christ have with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.  I wonder if Rick would tell us we can all yoke together as long as we have faith in something? I think I am going to stick with the Words of the Lord here, no matter what Mr. Warren tries to teach me. If I am the temple of the living God, then that means I personally cannot yoke myself for a common cause with just anyone. I can ask the Lord to use me though, to speak to the lost about sin and to point them to Jesus Christ alone, the One who came to seek and save that which was lost. Wait did Rick just call Muslims and Hindus our brothers and sisters? What about where Jesus said in John 8:42-47 that those who do not hear and believe on Jesus Christ are children of the Devil.  How then Rick are they our brothers and sisters? Sure we all may be humans living together on this planet. But to call them our brothers and sisters implies that we all have the same Father.  Yet Jesus Himself said in that same passage, “If God were your father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

Now, about Rick’s 3 legged stool! I have heard this plan somewhere before. Let me see, One global government, One economy working together, and One religion coming together. Does anybody want to guess where this is going?   And as far as Mr. Warrens statement about these houses of worship being distribution centers, I disagree. Jesus said “My house shall be called a house of prayer”, not a distribution center.  No doubt, the Lord has called us to do good, by His power and His plan, not by our own “Manpower”, as Rick states. But the Lord has sets bounderies, and the only other time in History where we see a global plan was back at “BABYLON”.  You will have to read Revelation for that one!


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