Comments on: Oh, Were You Serious About That? http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/ A last days Women's Ministry Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:58:46 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: alabasterboxes http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-62 alabasterboxes Sun, 04 May 2008 22:53:11 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-62 Kathleen, Thanks for stopping by! I will keep praying that the Lord can lead you to the right place. I remember when I was living in Florida, it seemed everywhere I went I was facing something else. We ended up doing housechurch for a few weeks until we moved here to CA. It is a struggle to find a place to worship these days! It seems like so many are leaving the faith and falling for anything, yet I know we must keep praying and asking the Lord for His guidence. His return in so near, even at the door. Keep looking up and pressing into His Word. He will not let you down. May He bless you and keep you dear sister! Stephanie Kathleen,

Thanks for stopping by! I will keep praying that the Lord can lead you to the right place. I remember when I was living in Florida, it seemed everywhere I went I was facing something else. We ended up doing housechurch for a few weeks until we moved here to CA. It is a struggle to find a place to worship these days! It seems like so many are leaving the faith and falling for anything, yet I know we must keep praying and asking the Lord for His guidence. His return in so near, even at the door. Keep looking up and pressing into His Word. He will not let you down. May He bless you and keep you dear sister!

Stephanie

]]> By: kathleen http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-60 kathleen Sun, 04 May 2008 12:58:59 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-60 What a thought-provoking site you have. I found a link to you at Slice of Laodicea. It is Sunday morning and I will not be going to a "church" because I have not found any yet in my area that seem safe to be in. What a thought-provoking site you have. I found a link to you at Slice of Laodicea. It is Sunday morning and I will not be going to a “church” because I have not found any yet in my area that seem safe to be in.

]]> By: alabasterboxes http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-56 alabasterboxes Thu, 01 May 2008 06:15:23 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-56 Hey I understand. I have had many ideas in my head in the past just because the majority said so. Sadly to say it was not because I had tested it to the Word. As I said, just keep pressing in. If you long to know the Truth according to the Lord and not the world, He will guide you to it. Read John 16:12-13 just for a little encouragement! May our Lord Jesus Christ make His face shine upon you and lead you into all truth. Hey I understand. I have had many ideas in my head in the past just because the majority said so. Sadly to say it was not because I had tested it to the Word. As I said, just keep pressing in. If you long to know the Truth according to the Lord and not the world, He will guide you to it. Read John 16:12-13 just for a little encouragement! May our Lord Jesus Christ make His face shine upon you and lead you into all truth.

]]> By: Ningxin http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-55 Ningxin Thu, 01 May 2008 05:56:02 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-55 ok i have searched and asked around, it seemed that i was wrong about my comment. i think i need to get back to the source of how i get the idea in the first place and examine it. i remembered it was in a devotional material i read. it seemed that i did not check the 'fact' against the Bible to see if it is true and the idea get knocked into my head. what a mistake i made. ok i have searched and asked around, it seemed that i was wrong about my comment. i think i need to get back to the source of how i get the idea in the first place and examine it. i remembered it was in a devotional material i read. it seemed that i did not check the ‘fact’ against the Bible to see if it is true and the idea get knocked into my head. what a mistake i made.

]]> By: alabasterboxes http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-54 alabasterboxes Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:56:12 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-54 That would be great. I am always open to take a look at scripture so I can pray and let the Lord correct me or affirm His Truth to me. The one thing I would say in regards to your last comment, is that we must be very careful about what we consider division. Remember, test it all back to scripture, not emotion or what a human has said to us. Exposing false teaching and fleeing from it if the "pastor" is unwilling to repent will always cause division to the one it seems to be offending. The facts are though that you are not the one causing the division, the false teacher is. You are the obedient one who is fleeing. Romans 16:17 says: I urge you brothers, to watch out for those who cause DIVISIONS and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the TEACHING you have learned. KEEP AWAY from them. For such people are NOT serving our Lord Christ, but their OWN appetites. (emphesis mine). These men are the dividers not the exposer or the one who flees. Yet I can promise you the world and the enemy will certainly want to make you the divisive one. Keeping you involved and silent allows them to continue in their ways and for Satan to continue his job. Fleeing and exposing, causes a roadblock for them. If you are a false teacher or the Lord has revealed that you are dividing a church for false reasons or out of impure motives, then you are right in saying I would not want to undergo the punishment of the Lord. But if you are being obedient and exposing or fleeing, you should not fear punishment from the Lord. It is tolerating the sin (like Eli did, as you wrote me earlier) that I would worry about. Keep pressing into the Word! That would be great. I am always open to take a look at scripture so I can pray and let the Lord correct me or affirm His Truth to me. The one thing I would say in regards to your last comment, is that we must be very careful about what we consider division. Remember, test it all back to scripture, not emotion or what a human has said to us. Exposing false teaching and fleeing from it if the “pastor” is unwilling to repent will always cause division to the one it seems to be offending. The facts are though that you are not the one causing the division, the false teacher is. You are the obedient one who is fleeing. Romans 16:17 says: I urge you brothers, to watch out for those who cause DIVISIONS and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the TEACHING you have learned. KEEP AWAY from them. For such people are NOT serving our Lord Christ, but their OWN appetites. (emphesis mine). These men are the dividers not the exposer or the one who flees. Yet I can promise you the world and the enemy will certainly want to make you the divisive one. Keeping you involved and silent allows them to continue in their ways and for Satan to continue his job. Fleeing and exposing, causes a roadblock for them. If you are a false teacher or the Lord has revealed that you are dividing a church for false reasons or out of impure motives, then you are right in saying I would not want to undergo the punishment of the Lord. But if you are being obedient and exposing or fleeing, you should not fear punishment from the Lord. It is tolerating the sin (like Eli did, as you wrote me earlier) that I would worry about. Keep pressing into the Word!

]]> By: Ningxin http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-53 Ningxin Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:28:43 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-53 hmm...i can't find the verse out now, but if i do i will tell you again. thats the thing, a church should never have division, and if we are the ones guilty of dividing up a church, i don't even want to think what is the punishment waiting for me after i die. anyway, i got to sleep now. is way past midnight. good nitex and happy labour day, if your country celebrates it. hmm…i can’t find the verse out now, but if i do i will tell you again. thats the thing, a church should never have division, and if we are the ones guilty of dividing up a church, i don’t even want to think what is the punishment waiting for me after i die. anyway, i got to sleep now. is way past midnight. good nitex and happy labour day, if your country celebrates it.

]]> By: Alabaster Boxes http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-52 Alabaster Boxes Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:12:33 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-52 I might be a little confused by what you are asking. Can you give me some scriptures that say the members of a certain congregation are chosen and placed there by God? There would be some difference if false teachers were among you and the leaders were dealing with it, but to have the false teacher as your main leader, that is a different story. I also don't think we need to wait for further instructions when it comes to fleeing from false teachers (who are unrepentant) because we have our final instructions in His Word. And fleeing and exposing false teaching will always cause discord or division. Even Jesus said He came to divide. Unity is only found in the Truth. With that being said I personally would never advocate just leaving a church, without first praying for and talking with the leader who may be teaching things falsely. We should always point out the errors and ask the Lord to speak the truth in love. It is only when they do not listen and fail to repent that we must flee. If we are led by our emotions, it may seem we have lost so much. But if we are led by His Spirit, He will guide us into all Truth and provide for us. Pray and see the Lord Jesus for His guidance and wisdom. He will reveal to you what you must do in all circumstances. I might be a little confused by what you are asking. Can you give me some scriptures that say the members of a certain congregation are chosen and placed there by God? There would be some difference if false teachers were among you and the leaders were dealing with it, but to have the false teacher as your main leader, that is a different story. I also don’t think we need to wait for further instructions when it comes to fleeing from false teachers (who are unrepentant) because we have our final instructions in His Word. And fleeing and exposing false teaching will always cause discord or division. Even Jesus said He came to divide. Unity is only found in the Truth. With that being said I personally would never advocate just leaving a church, without first praying for and talking with the leader who may be teaching things falsely. We should always point out the errors and ask the Lord to speak the truth in love. It is only when they do not listen and fail to repent that we must flee. If we are led by our emotions, it may seem we have lost so much. But if we are led by His Spirit, He will guide us into all Truth and provide for us. Pray and see the Lord Jesus for His guidance and wisdom. He will reveal to you what you must do in all circumstances.

]]> By: Ningxin http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-51 Ningxin Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:53:23 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-51 what you said do make a lot of sense, and it is true we have to flee from false teachers. here then comes another contradiction (sorry though, i have alot of things i still don't understand fully). out of the so many churches, we can assume that there will be some churches that contains false teachers. and in a church, the members of the congregation are chosen and placed there by God. which means, until we received instruction from Him, we cannot switch to other churches when we feel like it. so what should we do if in a church there are a few false teachers? if we make people get away from them, we will be guilty of sowing discord in a church. if we don't, people will get the wrong teachings. what you said do make a lot of sense, and it is true we have to flee from false teachers. here then comes another contradiction (sorry though, i have alot of things i still don’t understand fully). out of the so many churches, we can assume that there will be some churches that contains false teachers. and in a church, the members of the congregation are chosen and placed there by God. which means, until we received instruction from Him, we cannot switch to other churches when we feel like it. so what should we do if in a church there are a few false teachers? if we make people get away from them, we will be guilty of sowing discord in a church. if we don’t, people will get the wrong teachings.

]]> By: alabasterboxes http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-50 alabasterboxes Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:39:09 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-50 Eli was not teaching false docterine about who God was, and he never asked Samuel to do things against God. Eli's sin was a personal sin against God. Choosing what was better for his own son's over God. Not taking their sins serious enough to use discipline. (You know the thing most people won't use today, because that means you are judging). I am unaware of if Samuel even knew about this personal choice of Eli, the Bible doesn't make that clear. The New Testament is full of warnings to flee from false teachers though. Many scriputures will tell you not to partner with them, flee from them or as in 2 John do not even welcome them or you take part in their wicked work. And today God has not placed every leader that is leading a church in that postion. That is why we must be very discerning. We have no more excuses now that we have the Truth before us. Eli was not teaching false docterine about who God was, and he never asked Samuel to do things against God. Eli’s sin was a personal sin against God. Choosing what was better for his own son’s over God. Not taking their sins serious enough to use discipline. (You know the thing most people won’t use today, because that means you are judging). I am unaware of if Samuel even knew about this personal choice of Eli, the Bible doesn’t make that clear. The New Testament is full of warnings to flee from false teachers though. Many scriputures will tell you not to partner with them, flee from them or as in 2 John do not even welcome them or you take part in their wicked work. And today God has not placed every leader that is leading a church in that postion. That is why we must be very discerning. We have no more excuses now that we have the Truth before us.

]]> By: Ningxin http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/oh-were-you-serious-about-that/#comment-48 Ningxin Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:20:57 +0000 http://alabasterboxes.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-48 what you say is true. pastors are like min-leaders of the people (the church) and what they say do influence other people. that comes another problem. i believe whichever church we are attending are being set by God, as in that is where He wants us to be. and God set a pastor to be the mini-leader of the church to help lead the people. let's say for example we take it as pastor A of church A is doing something wrong, and if he doesn't listen to the correct advice of the congregation, there is nothing the congregation can do, except to wait for the Lord to deal with him. even Samuel did not criticize Eli about his mistakes for many years (although i have no idea if it is the correct thing to do) because Eli is the person God has chosen to be in the temple, if you get what i mean. and you cannot say you want to jump church because the pastor is bad, because that is where God wants you to be and we have to follow the Lord's instructions. what you say is true. pastors are like min-leaders of the people (the church) and what they say do influence other people. that comes another problem. i believe whichever church we are attending are being set by God, as in that is where He wants us to be. and God set a pastor to be the mini-leader of the church to help lead the people. let’s say for example we take it as pastor A of church A is doing something wrong, and if he doesn’t listen to the correct advice of the congregation, there is nothing the congregation can do, except to wait for the Lord to deal with him. even Samuel did not criticize Eli about his mistakes for many years (although i have no idea if it is the correct thing to do) because Eli is the person God has chosen to be in the temple, if you get what i mean. and you cannot say you want to jump church because the pastor is bad, because that is where God wants you to be and we have to follow the Lord’s instructions.

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